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14. Mandukya Upanishad | Chapter 1 Karika 19-21

boom bhadram Carini bish in Aoyama diva bhadram boshy moksha . être steering is washed wagons astana v:v Ashima deva heating yahoo swass tina indra british rava Sistina foucha Schwabe de saucé tina star show air Astana me versed in Aubry hospital Dada - ohm shanthi shanthi shanthi the Mundaka Upanishad consists of two kinds of inquiries the first inquiry is an inquiry into the self into yourself and the second one is an enquiry into home the second inquiry is meant as a support to the first one second inquiry is made as a support to the first one the first inquiry proceeds in this way we were told that when you look at yourself you will find four aspects of the self the first aspect is the is found in the waking state where you and the entire universe that you experience in the waking state are manifestations of one consciousness are our experience in one consciousness in the dream the same one consciousness appears to you as you the dreamer and your dream universe and then in deep sleep it's the same consciousness which is now experienced as blankness so these three pairs the knower and the known Waker in the wakers universe dreamer and the dreamers universe the deep sleeper in the deep sleepers universe means a merged universe all of them are actually one consciousness appearing in these ways that one consciousness constitutes the fourth aspect of the self so the first three aspects of the self are the waker dreamer deep sleeper and the fourth one is the pure consciousness the real you this was this constituted D first inquiry enquiry into the self and it reads it's reached its climax in the seventh mantra of the open ocean where the fourth aspect of the self called the Turia literally the fourth Turia means the fourth that was pointed out with a very remarkable text in the seventh mantra of this open ition now after that the second enquiry was introduced an inquiry into the very sacred sound very sacred word ohm this ohm has been this inquire into ohm has been put forward as a meditation a practice a practice to support the self inquiry we might say what do you mean support wire support the inquiry into the self is supposed to reveal like all enquiry inquiries supposed to reveal the truth so enquiry into the self is supposed to reveal the truth about ourselves the truth about ourselves is that we are this one immortal consciousness experienced in these three states waking dreaming and deep sleep so the purpose would be to shift our awareness of what am i from our present from our present idea our feeling that I am the waking self this waking person and this person that's what we normally think about ourselves what the open Ishod is teaching us is you are not this or you're not just this you're something much vaster that one consciousness appearing as this and much else besides so the shifting of the reference of the I I means me what does it refer to does it refer to need this particular body and mind in your waking state or what does it refer to that shifting of the eye from the waking personality to the pure consciousness of sport aspect of the self this is the purpose of the whole inquiry what is after all why are we doing this to know the truth about ourselves and knowing the truth about ourselves should lead to the result the promised result of all Vedanta it should take us beyond suffering attainment of lasting peace so this one it's possible not only just by understanding if you do the self inquiry seriously if you just give one gives a little bit of thought to it one can understand one can come to a kind of understanding but this understanding is not the same as as what one might call realizing the understanding and the realizing remember they are not two different things they are let us say the realest understanding should deepen into realization the understanding should deepen into realization it should become a living reality for me for that purpose this ohm meditation is very useful it gives you support gives the mind support to hold on to how did this proceed that's what we saw last time that the word ohm has four letters and interestingly the self has four aspects in sanskrit jitesh Padma and own Giotto smart route our own car four letters and actually not four letters three letters and silence after the foreign third letter so what are the constituents of ohm the idea is this own car Omkara means the word ohm analysis of the ohm will give us a support for meditating on the real self how does this support work because ohm has four four letters three letters and silence and the self was revealed as having four aspects now they can match them how did we match them remember the four letters of ohm were revealed as our ooh ma and silence and because I knew together make the Oh so we pronounce it ohm because of that and now the opener should taught us that you can map them the R can be related to the Baker in the wakers universe you think of yourself well as you are now you and your entire experienced universe associated with the sound it's a technique it's a technique for meditation our kind of from some way of the mind to think about what was starting dope initial so think of then your entire experienced universe and yourself as ah just name it ah then think of your you in the dream state not only dream state the entire subtle universe by which what do we mean by subtle universe mind inside what you feel inside thoughts emotions ideas memory your internal perceptions all of it feelings all of it think of it as ooh you the consciousness associated with that subtle body which is most evident in dreams so you as the dreamer and your entire dream world and not only dream world your entire subtle world inner world as you just call it ooh that which is in air end up in the home and then finally the deep sleep experience where all of the world the universe is sort of merged in deep sleep in in a blankness the differences are not obvious just like this room if there's no light here all this would be here but it would not be experienced it would just be blank dark in the same way that universe merged in the darkness of deep sleep call it what we experienced in our deep sleep and what the physical universe would be in that state of cosmic dissolution when at the end of a cycle of creation and existence finally the universe you know the cyclical theory of the universe it is created it evolves it exists and ultimately it's destroyed only to go through that cycle again when it is destroyed destroyed in a sense back into its causal state so that is that silence and that is the mmm associate that with the and then finally as all fades away into silence associate the silence with pure consciousness the turian pure consciousness and as you chant ohm keep these associations in mind then the as the ohm you cycle to the ohm in your mind or in a low chant will bring up your entire waking experience fleetingly swipe it away let it fade away into your dream experience and then again into your deep sleep experience could someone let him sit as you keep on doing this the background consciousness should become evident it should be you should one should get a clarity about it that it is all happening it's a play of one unchanging consciousness also note that the waking world is see it is taken as the physical or the gross world this dreaming world is taken as the subtle world deep sleep is taken as a causal state not casual causal state it's not it's not it's just the opposite of casual in one Swami taught in there in rock and he said translate years Jagger at Swapna to hulky full Kiowa star sushupti Gambier Acosta he said this waking and dreaming are inconsequential superficial states the really serious day is deep sleep we think about it as just the opposite they're deeply doesn't matter this is what matters so the waking world is seen as physical the dream world as subtle and the deep sleep world as causal and what is so waking and dreaming are effects and deep sleep is seen as the cause cause and effect in what sense in a sense think about it this way suppose there's a lump of flame and then it is made into lots of pots it's an example from the Upanishads lots of pots of different shapes and sizes but suppose the pots do not take shape and the potter again sort of lumps all the clay back into a wet one wet mass of clay now what happened to all those wonderful variety of shapes and sizes pots and jars and no big boss little pots fat pots skinny pots and all of that kind of pots it's all back into one mass in that sense that lump of clay is the material cause of all of those pots in that sense all of those those pots are still there in that lump of clay the shapes have disappeared but they all emerge from that the substance is still the same in that sense can we not call that lump of clay the material cause in sanskrit you pod on a material cause the substance out of which everything was shaped a think of your deep sleep as the material cause of your waking and dream words because all the differences that we appreciate here are still there in deep sleep just we don't cognize the differences it's like pulling a shroud over your face and not seeing the variety deny it is still there so the deep sleep is regarded as a material for a material cause of the other two anyway the point is gross state causal state a gross state subtle state causal state what about pure consciousness it is neither cause nor effect in sanskrit car your car and of election Optima something that is distinct from cause and effect it's not the cause of anything not is a defect of anything in the cosmic level it is God or Ishwara who is the cause of the universe so from God alone from the power of my up that is there cosmology entire universe is projected sustained by God and we drawn back into God what is the relationship of that God to the studium we are speaking about that God is none other than this story and but the story am the pure consciousness the God that God is the cause of the universe the studium is not not even a cause of the universe it's like once again I'll give another example it's like the rope is the cause of the snake you see come come the the rope which is mistaken for a snake you can see that what is the cause of that snake is the rope and plus the ignorant of the rope which leads to the mistake of a snake but can I not say the rope is also actually really speaking the rope is not a cause of the snake because there is no snake if it R is really a product something really happened then you would have said what is the cause of this happening but if it did not happen is it fair to the rope to say that you why are you a cause of a snake the rope will slam what snake I'm not a cause of any snake it's born of error that snake which we here see it's born of error similarly upon enlightenment we will see the waking dreaming and deep sleep worlds are born of error one rip we realized the ultimate truth is that aureum always was and will be it was there earlier it is there not will continue to be this world the appearance will still continue but we'll realize it's an appearance all right then about the meditation on ohm what did we learn quickly summarizing what we learned last time there were some carry cos the carry cos we are going to do now but the Upanishad itself the eighth mantra ninth mantra tenth mantra and eleventh mantras what did they say each mantra told us three things especially the nine ten eleven the mantra introduced the analysis and nine ten and eleven told us three things one is which letter to match to which aspect of the Atma which letter to match two which are aspect of the Atman it they are taught of the meditation technique so which letter to match to which aspect of the Atma then the second thing it taught us was similarities between the two after all why should I say all is the waking I mean there must be some kind of connection so kind of connection of the step was told to us it was said that ah and the waking state the waking state and earth have the similarity of being adi and up they will see if you don't remember then you can look back at the verses that it is the first clearly it's the first and it is pervading pervading you remember why because it is the sound alone which is underlying all other sounds it's the earth which is modified into a just by making faces you can get all those sounds yes so that was the the second thing is your first thing is why match these two the first thing is which one matches with with what the second thing which was told to us why similarities and third thing which was told to us the result of these practices you might say the result is supposed to be enlightenment I'm supposed to realize I am Tori oh yes that's the result that's the ultimate result we are looking for but remember the traditional Vedic approaches if somebody practices some kind of meditation a result is mentioned this is going to this is what you're going to do why is that so because all these practices originated from Vedic ritual ISM the idea of the yagya the fire sacrifices the rituals where you do a sacrifice really do a practice some ritual with an expectation in mind the original ritualistic religion was you know people would perform rituals for somebody wanted to have an empire somebody wanted to get to rainfall for the crops somebody would have wanted plentiful of cattle and so why would people want plentiful of cattle remember that was the welt in those days it was an agrarian society somebody wanted children somebody wanted to go to heaven so some result was looked for and that's why people perform rituals rituals were not called Karma and there were mental exercises called meditations opus onna karma and opus onna mental exercise is also a kind of karma so that also you had to give a result for that why do if you do that what will you get so some results were mentioned for each of these meditations you November 1 will worldly and spiritual the spiritual result is 1 enlightenment but the worldly results the worldly results multiple results were mentioned the first part if you if you concentrate on aa as your waking world you would get up the update the knowledge would be the second one and the first one would you be first among many and you would be extensively rich and wealthy and and so on you put on weight no I'm joking but basically you become a bigger person you you're-you're pervade just as our pervades all of this so anyway that subjects the way the result was mentioned then so that was mentioned for each of them what goes with what what's the similarity between the two the ohm and the self the letters of the ohm and the states of the self and what are the results so these were mentioned now before coming to the conclusion but what will the conclusion the the eighth mantra introduced all of this the ninth mantra said took up this one this part the tenth month we took up this part and the eleventh mantra took up this last is this third part and the last one twelfth month and the twelfth mantra is the last stop is a final month of the remember it's the smallest of the Phoenicians only 12 mantras so before now they're coming to the 12th mantra but before that you know guru Pathik calls a heart stop once in a while I hope you remember who go deposit is yes Shankar Acharya schoo ruse guru yes there's this poetic exchange between Swami Vivekananda and his American disciple Mary Hale quite humorous it's part in it you can find the poems in Swami Vivekananda's poems collected poems where she tried to summarize vivica and his teachings and he humorously pointed out some of the glaring mistakes she made in her trying and trying to understand what he had taught so she said something like so you say everything is God and he wrote back saying unmeaning talk this is I never taught such strange doctrine that everything is God what I meant was God only is everything is not look at this actually what is everything everything is the entire waking world the entire inner dream world or subtle world and it's causal state all of these that these three universes the physical the subtle and the causal these three universes are everything so you're saying everything is God we're the kind of thing I am saying everything is not God only is the Torah hum is the only reality right it's like saying I'll give you another example or the classic example we have been using the three three ornaments and gold gold which is made into our necklace which is made into a bangle which is made into a ring and the fourth called gold the fourth gold so you have a bangle a necklace and a ring and gold now if somebody tells that somebody says everything all the ornaments the reality is all the ornaments if you if you say you will say no we are saying the ornaments are not the reality the reality is gold another way of putting it would be suppose the classic example of a rope and snake so suppose there's a rope but somebody does not recognize it as a rope people come and then distance they see that rope lying but they don't know it's a rope and what happens is one of them says oh look there's a snake and his friend says no no no it's not a snake it must be the garland thrown away from the nearby temple garden third person says no it's a crack in the earth caused by the last earthquake so three three things they said what are they snake garland crack in the earth and this is actually the classic example Serpa Malibu Childre the these three alternatives now would you say if somebody says I understand what you are trying to say the reality is snake plus the garland plus the crack in the earth and another person says no no the reality is the rope none of them none of them are the reality the reality is the rope so that's what we were kinda was saying the reality is God let's put it in a general sense ultimate reality is there the rest of it is not then what is the rest of it it's that that God alone that Tori I'm alone that ultimate reality alone appearing in all of these ways anyway why I'm saying all of this is because at the beginning of the poem he writes in days of yore on Ganga's Shore in ancient days in it's a very old Indian saying you know in in days on the shore of the Ganga there was at Ramayana Thoth telling of the tale of Rama Rama and Sita so some people sat and listened to the whole story it's a long story to listen to the whole story and afterwards they were vending their way back home and one person was asking the other that was really nice but but say but tell me whose Sita it's like a fundamental part of the story how can you not know it's like watching all the entire Star Wars thing and asking who's Luke Skywalker or who's Princess Leia so who see that it's like that making a mistake where they kinda said not that all three are the truth the truth is this not that all the ornaments are the truth the truth is the gold not that the snake and the crack in the earth or the rope or the garland or the truth the truth that is it's a rope ultimately it's one consciousness appearing in these ways yes yes yes yes golden ring yes yes it is true that's what it seems like there's a you note the question is when you give examples like clay and pot gold and ornament in one sense the gold is the cause of the cause means the substance the material cause of the ornament and the clay is the cause of the pot that's why another example is given rope and snake there's a difference between rope snake and clay pot' right and it used to bother me because the Rope snake example seems to be quite it seems to be what Vedanta is trying to say but the clay pot example seems to be rather problematic don't you think because after all the clays shaped into the part Gold is formed into an ornament so is pure consciousness somehow shaped transformed changed into the world is it at all subject to change but you keep saying it is unchanged abilities and unchanging reality is no way of changing pure consciousness who are what would change pure consciousness and what would it even be like changing of consciousness thoughts can change things in the world can change what is change of consciousness only thing it can become is non conscious so we are back to that question how do you say that the gold or the clay not causes of pot or ornament do you understand the question to begin with we Dante will say it's a cause but ultimately it will deny that it's not and say that it's not a cause and we in fact we will come to that today itself but let me just answer this in what sense is the clay not a cause of the part in what sense is the gold not a cause of the of the ornaments in what sense of the clay part and the gold ornament examples the same as rope snake rope snake is clear because there is no snake at all ever but we still say that there is a there's a difference between the two examples because remember rope and snake belong to two levels of reality the rope belongs to the transactional level of reality our level of reality and the snake is produced by error whereas golden ornament clay and Parton all of them seem to belong to our level of reality or not it's not erroneous to call it a pot it's not erroneous to call it an ornament they are transactional you can use it people always use it remember I mean this is what used to bother me also finally I resolved it this way when the Upanishads use the clay the pot example which they do the gold and the ornament example they don't normally use the snake and rope example when they use clay pot gold ornament they mean it in this sense in a one specific sense they mean it this way first I'll tell you the conclusion and then I'll give you the reasoning behind it they will say there is no such thing as an as a pot there is a thing called clay but there is nothing called pot there is a thing called gold but there is nothing no thing called a bracelet how-how-how it is dependent reality but how this will be useful in understanding the twelfth month throughout Saturday it goes like this the reasoning goes like this words are connected to things so when you have a word it expresses something so book is a word which expresses this object is this is the thing which is connected to the word book you can put in sanskrit terms it is like it's called pada pada pada means word pelota means object so every pada every word has a corresponding object or padartha now when you analyze the object say take up an object like a pot and you analyze it you see that it is clay not that clay is a part of that pot no it is the whole of the pot it is entirety the entire part top bottom middle outside all of it is click now if I ask you the question what is the object you you are corresponding to the words clay and pot if I ask you what is the object corresponding to the word clay you will show me the part because it's clay now show me the object corresponding to the word pot same if you say it is same why I have two words for it why have towards if words words denote a thing any kind of reality at all the reality is the pot the clay constituting the pot is the reality the moment I say clay I have taken away the entire reality of the pot if they show me clay you should take the pot and say here this is clay I say okay I'll take the clay away now show me the pot you can't show me anything separately they can't even be used entertained interchangeably was the clay was clay even before it was a pot the clay even if you break the pot it still click at all stages it is clay but the part is not so part is only applicable at a particular stage you're using the word part the basic point is there is no separate reality the word pot can point to since the padartha the object is negated the object turns out to be nothing but clay just the the reality itself then the word part remains without any object it becomes object less the word pot becomes object less in the sense of if you are if you are very strict about what's real what's substantial if you hold on to the clay then the word pot has nothing to point to so it becomes a word without a reference without a referent something to point to it's a word you cannot point out the reality for it I'll come to you so in that case the word itself is is meaningless meaningless means without any object to refer to word is also dropped it has it has nothing it has no reality to point to does not mean it's not useful it's still useful because it points to a name and a farm and I use and now I'm a Rupa Viva Hara is there but the reality is not because here we acquire in quest of the reality so in that sense the word pot has no thing it refers to if there is no thing it refers to then how is a clay of course what is it a cause of how is the clay a cause what do you get it what is it this is the thinking of this very subtle way of thinking what is just hold on to the reality itself take it in a very direct simple way what did the clay produce show me the thing produced by the clay you can't you can't so there is no separate thing produced by the clay hence the word pot does not refer to a product and therefore the word clay does not refer to a cause also the clay remains as something apart from cause and effect this is an example in the same way turian is actually not the cause of the universe because there is no real unity they're all there they are all appear but they don't they're not real things apart from thorium hence you can't say - Liam produced something hence - Liam is not a cause it's neither cause not effect the whole game of cause and effect is within Maya this is within Maya but the reality is beyond cause and effect we become the himself expressed this hold on to the question I'll come to you with the Condor himself expressed it this way I've quoted him earlier you know the law of karma is basically cause and effect whatever we do we get the result of that that good good bad bad and none escaped the law whosoever wears of form wears the chain - the chain is the chain of cause and effect causes have actions have consequences causes have effects but then he says far beyond name and form is Atman ever free far beyond cause and effect what is cause this one what is effect these far beyond cause and effect is Atman ever free no the award that Sonia Seaboard say ohm that's at ohm so direct answer to your question is when the Upanishads used the example of pot and clay golden ornament they have their eye on one point only that the substance the reality behind it so don't we think about the pot ever making a pot our dweller Jules don't go into that that's misleading I also used to think like that I would say that they're not the same example but they are the same example as far as the reality is concerned just as the Rope is the only reality not the snake not the crack in the ground not the discarded garland the rope is the only reality the gold is the only reality and in the same way the clay is the only reality in this sense we will use this reason and keep it in mind we'll use it when we come to the end of this yes you had a question I'm sorry I made you forget it that happens yeah yes the clay see it's a potentiality of many functions you can make many kinds of pots and jars and things out of it the pot is valid for us because it has a particular functionality when you make a pot out of a clay you gain a new form a new name and a new function you can hold you can put water in it you can put milk in it or you know which you cannot do with clay so that's this functionality of the pot but what Vedanta says is we are not interested in that it's very useful for the world that's why Vedanta is not very particularly very useful it points to something beyond worldly use it points to the reality of the of the pot the reality of the part is still clay as clay as clay does not have that functionality of the pot so Maya for example is very useful Maya produces all of this names and forms and people you can have the game of samsara with Maya but the underlying reality is to reham durian as such you cannot have functionality there in itself it has no specific use it's called up d'Ivoire arrium beyond transaction or beyond use or to be able to put it very bluntly useless it's useless in the sense that the clay is useless but is that clay really useless is clays the is the potentially the place the ground of all use all kinds of things which can be done with clay that's what they're potentially you have to make it similarly to Liam that ultimate reality is potentially the source of the entire universe only thing Vedanta insists it's the reality is a thorium not the universe don't worry we will we have got several chapters go to power will take us through it step-by-step yes I'll come to you if the Potter makes the pot and in same way yeah but remember from vedantic point of we are interested in the reality so there is no such thing as a part which is made if you actually yes because if you make it then you must show me that there is something real that you have made the reality is that is the clay yes no absolutely not doesn't do anything in fact God I'm using the most broadest since the old word I'm using photo Liam it's not a word that should be used for thorium the word which we should be used for to liam is the absolute yeah what is God in this entire scheme of things if at all the closest that we get to God in this entire scheme of things is that totality so in the waking state I am an individual here is this entire world I am an individual meaning I am a consciousness associated with this body and mind all right this is called a diva now conceive of consciousness associated with all bodies - and indeed the entire in sentient universe a consciousness which can associate which can identify itself with the entire universe everybody and everything that would be the v-rod with the gross manifestation of God at this subtle level I am a conscious that same consciousness associated with one mind this particular mind imagine the same consciousness associated with which can associated means I dent afire it can call it mine like I call this one my mind my mind is happy my mind is sad my mind does not understand like that if consciousness could call all our minds together just conceive of that the entire cosmic mind you're plugged into not only your laptop but the entire internet so if you could associate with all minds that would be the subtle manifestation of God subtle aspect of God this is Hiranya garbha now the potential state in deep sleep and the individual was shut down in deep sleep imagine a consciousness which is associated with the shutting down of the universe in a potential state before the Big Bang let us say or after the end of the cycle of the universe that is God in the potential state it is called Ishwara which is conceived of in or depicted in Hindu mythology as Vishnu in sleep so he Vishnu is a bit of a couch potato he's all here imagine he has a magnificent couch the cosmic serpent with a thousand hoods but but it shows the potential state that the corresponding to our deep sleep when the entire universe vanishes when Ishwara Vishnu alone is there with Vishnu's power of projecting the subtle universe and the cross universe so this is the idea of God in Vedanta you will see that the idea of God is very precise mostly in theistic religions you will see God is hidden in the veil of mystery a lot of words are used but what is the precise meaning of the words nobody agrees exactly it's mysterious its evocative it's poetic it points its theological points to articles of faith and inspiration and belief but here it's a very very clear-cut kind of paradigm what is what are you you are that consciousness that one consciousness with this particular body and mind what is God the same consciousness with the entirety of the universe let's go that's what Arjuna experiences in the 11th chapter of the bhagavad-gita which terrifies him to see this the cosmic form of God oh oh it acts no no punishment and reward is not a concept in Hinduism in Vedanta the idea is rather cause and effect punishment and reward is a very personal kind of it sounds very personal that's why it's people find it objectionable in the Indian philosophies it's more cause and effect Karma God is more or less like a benign bank manager who gives you whatever it is in your credit or debit no our calls in the bad loans when he has to call him but see what I get from the bank is what I actually earned and if there's nothing I can I can get will I have to admit I have maxed out my credit cards so that's what God does it basically but God is better than most bank managers because God God is can give you a very long line of credit indeed and God can help you to come out of this entire system between beyond cause and effect to oneness with God so oneness with God does not mean you become God rather you go beyond God to the reality which which is behind beyond God the absolute yeah in one sense God is nothing other than you it is your cosmic aspect if you knew yourself is the real you both an individual God and the world God individual and world geography Jeeva Ishwara they would all be manifestations of you alone something like but I think I heard you say that that you shouldn't preach or unless God has given you permission yes yes it's same God it's a short there's only one God so it's the same thing so God is yes so God does act for example God takes incarnations see Toria does not act the ultimate reality is beyond action there is no action there at all it's perfection but in the world of Maya in the world of Maya Vedanta admits here is a world here you are as an individual and here there is a God with whom the power of God and a benign loving God just God but what we don't the points is the reality is beyond all of that God is not the ultimate reality it's as bold as that since you yourself are not the ultimate reality the world is not the ultimate reality God is also not the ultimate reality beyond all three are is one reality which is your own real nature you as you are not the ultimate reality but deep inside you are your own actual reality is the ultimate reality of God and the universe also the absolute and you are the absolute God is not the absolute you are the absolute or in another way you can see ultimately God is also the absolute but basically the absolute to find absolute you have to find search within yourself all right you had a question I've come to you turian and brick t r it is immunity means modification movement so movement of the mind literally in Sanskrit with T means change so I raised my hand is everything I walk this is everything with image change but here chit directly means with T of the mind movement of the mind you think something you feel something you see something here something they all release Turia MS the consciousness behind all the victory with these which lights up all the rit is right in fact that is but that is the ultimate position of a Dante correct correct yes yes no no Maya is the power of God there are there is no duality here there's only one ultimate reality which is true Liam but the point is that we are very far from that we are trapped in this appearance so all of this remember this is something called super imposition and D super imposition Vivekananda calls it hypnotized ation and D hypnotized ation it's a structure is being set up to skillfully lead us out of the trap we are ourselves in otherwise if you want the truth straight away without any talk of anything else you are Brahman finished a the opener shot itself said I am Atmaram you see at the beginning of the opening shot this very self is their absolute but how does that help us because we don't even understand what the absolute is and let alone understanding myself as the absolute yeah yes no that is the source of all of this manifestation but what what the opposition is saying that the manifestation is not real it's like it's like just take the example of the rope and all the varieties of mistakes we make about the rope the snake the garland the crack in the earth now the source of all of them is error the source of error is ignorant so compare that ignorant to Maya Maya is the magician which makes to liam appear in all these ways he might more like a magic so the source is not into them to diem itself it is as as no my Island Maya is at the causal level when you ask the question what makes all this happen Maya so is Maya real ultimately no there's no Torian plus Maya is only tertium Maya is well within the realm of appearance the at the source is Maya its products are all of this but needed the source not the product are real the reality ultimately story 'm it's like saying snake garland crack in the earth all our appearances and the source of that is ignorant and quite appear apart from ignorance and its appearances is the real innocent rope which is real so you're the innocent Torian which is real always was is and will be and all of this is a game within you it will still go on but it's to be recognized as a game as a movie later on we'll come to in the second chapter of the mondo cure where God our Father will say consider this universe which you experience consider it as as swapna dream consider it as a dream consider it as Maya like a magic show consider it as a gundermen agora like a castle in the air like you see clouds in various forms so they are not real they are appearances Vedanta never goes beyond what you experience because we experience all this this Vedanta will never say for example Vedanta will never say what world you see what I'm seeing it when aunt will say no you are not that we don't we'll never say something like that you cannot deny that you are seeing it but what are you seeing what is the nature of that is it real that's what we're on to investigates I'll come to you you had a point absolutely do I have you heard the talk I gave the ultimate truth what you are saying is exactly what God our Father says towards the end of the second chapter we'll come to that eventually hopefully he says there is no dissolution no creation then what about our bondage and all of this there is no bondage then what about me I am in bondage there's nobody in bondage then what about all the spiritual practice we are doing Vedanta classes and meditation in place there's nobody doing any spiritual practices and then he says what about those were liberated there's nobody who's liberated and then Parramatta this is the absolute truth that's what it'll come to ultimately and not only that he goes there's a small word there et Asia it says this is the absolute truth this means this what you are experiencing this is the absolute truth while experiencing it you know it points you to the thorium which is there which is your the ground of all experience that alone is real the rest of it is magic show is fun entertainment until you realize that I'm until you realize that you pretty well we should take it seriously if why why because why because if it hurts if suffering is the problem if desire is a problem if greed is a problem anger is a problem if we are suffering in samsara there is no use saying that I will not take it seriously you are taking it seriously you're helplessly taking it seriously then this is a way of getting out of that once you have gotten out of that the whole thing is fun from that perspective but if you are a part of the drama in the nightmare when you wake up you say ho thank God it was nightmare nothing else but in the nightmare it was pretty pretty serious you're terrified you're anxious you're running away from the tiger chasing you when you wake up you can laugh at it or thank God it must have been the burrito which I ate last night or something but but before that you need to wake up from that waking up from that is this wait just a minute before you before you deny Krishna and Vishnu you should be able to deny your own personal existence [Music] see that's why this is a very dangerous philosophy look at look at the end you know the story when render not the young man who later became Swami Vivekananda his father died and they were in terrible debt and he couldn't get a job and his family was suffering mother and his brothers and sisters he was in dire straits and he went to Sri Ramakrishna and he said can't you ask your divine mother Kali because she is the source of the entire universe she's here so she's the source of the entire universe so can't you ask her to make things right for my family Sri Ramakrishna said look I don't ask for such things but you can go today's a nice date was a Tuesday it's a holy divine Mother's Day Tuesdays and Saturdays so you can seduce there you can go and ask tonight go and ask the divine mother she's the mother of the universe she'll give you what what you want and so he was persuaded to do that he went and he had a vision of the divine model it was not an image it was a living presence the mother of the universe shone forth in the temple and he asked for knowledge Gianna he asked for bhakti devotion discrimination within Vivica that to know the difference between the real and the unreal and so on he came back overwhelmed by this vision and he told sri ramakrishna sri ramakrishna said that's all very good but did you ask for a job and money and and he said I totally forgot Sri Ramakrishna said you foolish by still time go and ask so he went back a second time the same thing happened he couldn't ask for worldly things he just asked for love and devotion and and spiritual knowledge enlightenment and he came back Sri Ramakrishna again scolded him go and ask for money go a third time third time also he came back and then he said I couldn't do it and he said I realized this is you are tricking me this is all your doing Sri Ramakrishna was very happy because this is this is a test he put her in there not to does this boy even under pressure does this boy we want to really want the world do you want the world do you want God and so finally Salaam Krishna blessed him said that told him that she was happy with this what what he had done and blessed him that well all right your family shall not lack they will not suffer who want of simple cloth of clothing and food he didn't want that'll say that they'll all become millionaires they'll have a simple life yes that that much he blessed them now her question is if this ultimately no God or Vishnu or all of that if I am the absolute Torian then why did Sri Ramakrishna tell neuringer not to go and ask mother Kali for what did you say the house and the job and the money and all of that the answer is within your question don't you think when Narendra not is coming and asking Sri Ramakrishna is he asking am i the ultimate reality he's not asking that he's asking how do I get a job how do I feed my mother and my idiot or iam what mother and what job and what house the studium hasn't have a mother history I'm looking for is on the Izone on welfare looking for a job has Torian been laid off no when you are asking all of that you are well within the universe you are asking in terms of the universe taking it to be real not only that you are well within the waking universe if si Ramakrishna says yeah you'll have a job in your dreams that wouldn't have self-satisfied Narinder not he would say he would say I want a job in the waking world where I can feed my mother and my brother and and sisters so in the waking world Narendra not wants the world to be this way rather than that way take it for granted that's why this is such a dangerous philosophy we are well we're in entrenched in the waking world we are really entrenched in the waking world here from here we are trying to dismiss all of it dangerous won't work I am here but it's all false I am this body I am this person this is my job this is my house my city my problems and yet it's all false if you can't do that you have to step back into the witness consciousness and then dismiss all appearances as appearances it will still continue but as appearances so that's why this ultimate the background consciousness thorium has to be realized at least conscious at least intellectually understood then all questions have to be reformulated from that perspective you will see all of it dissolved questions dissolved them but as long as you are here then this is real for you at this point and this source is also real what does an 80 is deny and it is denies the existence of something like this what does it he is to believe in a theist believes in the existence of something like this what is woman Rukia not interested in tea is a magnetism both teas immunity ISM form and okay our appearances in one consciousness so theast says that there is God or Vishnu or Kali which is the cause of all of this if you want to change in your virtual reality we have to ask programmer make a change in my virtual reality I want a better virtual reality but the what man Duque is telling you is that it's a virtual reality step out of the matrix and I'll come to you I'll come to you yes yes I can stipulate that they're real I can I can I can grant that they are real for purposes of the question yes yes no you have intelligently pointed this out I have a PI of myself punching it out in a couple of occasions earlier I have always claimed that we are moving on the basis of experience and reason right yet there is one thing here which is somewhat a matter of faith what is God here you see that we experience the universe as individuals and as a totality that's also not not beyond reason and experience because I am a part of this I can see myself as this body and mind as a part and here is a total I can I can conceive of the totality of all of this I can even conceive of the totality of all minds though I experience only my own mind but I can conceive with totality of all minds I am a consciousness associated with the body and mind that's also part of make that's my experience that's the basis of my experience now here is the faith factor involved here they are saying the open assured says that just as you are the consciousness associated with that body and mind and each of us is a consciousness associated with particular bodies and minds in the waking world there is this consciousness associated with all bodies and minds you aha but how do I know that yes you take it on faith absolutely not there is no problem because ultimately the God which you are taking on faith suppose you don't believe in such a god though it's pretty eminently reasonable if there is the individual and the total and the individual is associated consciousness it's quite possible at least the possibility is that the consciousness might be associated with the totality but supposing you say that a consciousness in my experience is associated with me at the most I can extend it to all of you consciousness is associated with each of you but there's one consciousness associated with all at the same time I choose not to believe in such a thing because it would be a matter of faith if you say that if you take that position still it does not prevent you from realizing the turian behind yourself right but this is taken into account first of all Vedanta firmly believes that there is such a God though ultimately dismisses that God also and if you do not what about all those people who believe in God then their question about God still remains as unresolved where is God in this whole system so God is given this portfolio in this whole system you are in charge of the totality I am here with the Singh individual you're in charge of the totality it's definitely let's be honest about it so mat there's the element of faith involved in a strong element of faith but there beauty about the Advaitic approaches ultimately nothing much hangs on that if you're going to be religious then it hangs on that they didn't know all of religion depends on that weight all of theistic religion depends on that faith if you are going to be a Buddhist or a yogi or a sangchien not really necessary religion is enormous ly useful and the core of religion if you take Mundek Upanishad as the core of Vedanta of Hinduism in that sense yes suppose you take them on do care by itself and no the man Duke is the philosophy man Duke is the philosophy it's a philosophy of religion it is the end I would say it is the core philosophy of Hinduism and I would extend it further this Vedantic framework which we are giving we make on the believed and I think it's pretty reasonable to say it is basically the underlying rationale of religion what is ultimately religion trying to do it's basically this it's clearly very clearly stated here in this way in a very stark way it is stated here in principle if I did not believe in God and taste ik religion that's what you're basically asking would it do me any harm you would have to disregard part of Manduca but that part of Manduca is not their sense still your experience of waking dreaming and deep sleep and Toria would remain the same that remains the same which is not affected so much but that's only in principle in practice it makes a huge difference because even mandu coupon assured would say the preparation necessary for realizing this Vedantic truth that I am the tour iam the preparation requires purification of mind it requires unselfishness concentration all of which are given by religion the initial preparation towards Manduca here we have jumped to the top of the mountain the entire base camp and everything is conventional religion we have to be suppose I don't believe in all of that but I am a moral person I'm a pretty concentrated person I have a clear mind will it help me then it's alright moral focused clear thinking from willpower which I can exercise and come bring my life under control and discipline if they have got all of that then I don't need the preparatory things once Alka alright that's the last question we have not started today's class yet yes yeah what is that vision is this this one Ishwara no no no no remember all of this is not just in the mind the mind is very much part of it all of this is interior the mind is very much part of it it's here in the subtle level beyond the subtle level is the causal level at the causal cosmic level is Kali the divine mother yes this one Ishwara consciousness associated with the entire universe yes so it's not real then Tori I'm alone is real in that seat in the Torian paradigm God God's grace anything possible none of those words have any relevance anymore in an interim point of view so suppose you say I'll reframe your question suppose one really does realize that Torian is the reality and I am that thorium then would all of these words of Ramakrishna have any meaning that's your question now ah right so from the person was realized that anthurium that person how would that person look upon the world and God as appearances in the to him that he is I am thorium not as the person and the ultimate the absolute existence consciousness place in that existence consciousness bliss it appears as so many individuals including this individual it also appears as the totality associated with all of it as God all those appearances continue and as an individual in this in this entire in this entire appearance I could still have devotion to the the cosmic aspect because all of it would be me also you know it's not a separate movie which I am watching I am all of this I am the movie if I am real and in me all of this is happening I can still continue to play the role of a devotee Sri Ramakrishna said after realizing this remain with bhakti rocktober go on remain in this you are ultimately or back to this kind of an experience do you know the reality story 'im what will you continue to experience I am this person here is the world the Kali temple and the Ganges and I am and I am that's God that's a that's a protest from God we in spite of what all you do I'm still around all right it's not like I woke up from a dream and all that is gone now so the guard in the dream and the world in the dream and the person the dream all are falsified and the thing to do no no all of you all of that is still appearing and it's all you the tour IAM so we can continue to play the game not in the sense of false it you can continue to play the game as identification with koream and sense of oneness then the individual which I find myself back into will be can remain as a devotee of God also odd okay just the tell me this and then I'll you will see how it will falls into place suppose you realize that you are the tour iam which itself was is now you're back again in this waking world you realize that you are the story 'm but by realizing that to liam and then experiencing the waking world what will happen is that you will see that I am the consciousness which is now appear as this entire waking universe and as this individual that will be our that will be your knowledge understanding of the whole situation very clear alright then as the individual being what would you now try to think of yourself as earlier you're thinking of yourself as deeper this person son of so-and-so born in such in such place this is your life story as deeper now you realize the deeper persona is there but behind it is your real real nature to reom which alone is appearing a deeper candy box world now what would you say what would be the honest understanding about yourself I am fill in the blanks I am I am Toria I am existence consciousness bliss all of these would be true to you then and not only an interesting philosophy but but true right that I which is saying that isn't that a function of the mind because the body is appearing the mind is appearing so you continue to live your life as that person from all outer aspects as you are still the person deeper but that I in in the mind says I am such a down on the I am thorium I am the absolute this person will go on it's you know it's it's a term of life and so on but I am the background awareness existence being behind all of this would you agree that would be the way to look at it if you found yourself back again here in this world sri ramakrishna says in fact that's correct that even after the Enlightenment as long as the body the body of the enlightened person continues that enlightened person will also continue to experience himself as an individual in a world but as an enlightened individual if the body experience continues the mind experience also will continue it's not that the enlightened person is a zombie a body without a mind the mind is also there if the mind is there the ego also will be there I that ego now what will that ego think of itself earlier what did you think of itself body mind now what does it think of itself sri ramakrishna says two ways are possible one way is the guaraníes i I am pure consciousness he sees this it's in the sayings of Ramakrishna number three so I'm even a man in this collection third collection after enlightenment the enlightened person continues to live the ego of that enlightened person he calls it the ripened ego the ripened ego he says pakka me the pogrom he says ripened ego has two forms one is a knowledge form one is a devotional form the knowledge form will say I am pure consciousness though I continue to appear in all these these ways the necklace can say I am gold and it would not be false right it would be true actually I am gold others we continue to say no no you are a necklace and I am a bracelet and that other guys and as is a ring and the necklace says no no I am gold and your goal to end that other guys also good and the necklace would be right there is an enlightened necklace so so I would continue as the as I am pure consciousness that's one form and Sri Ramakrishna says another form is possible for that enlightened I I am the child of God I am the servant of God that's also an enlightened point of view it's not the Manduca framework but it's a devotional framework that that one is also ripened ego he's an example of course of course using some yeah true but remember here we are taking a particular paradigm that's what he's asking is from this paradigm it doesn't seem to make sense your impression of the Enlightenment he says I am the child and Desmet Kali is my divine mother could this paradigm says I am Toriyama Kali is an appearance in me right that's what he's asking so from this perspective you will continue to live as I am pure consciousness Ramakrishna is an Avatara embodied the entire spectrum of enlightenment it can be many ways this is not the only way note in Manduca class we will insist this is the highest a devotee of Krishna or Kali would say food to your man do care I am the child of the divine or am the work Aranda the devotee of Krishna I'm Hanuman the servant of Rama so I don't care for your waking dreaming and deep sleep so that's a devotional approach as you ramakrishna says both are correct there's there's no problem with either of them you can be yeah also to you then the world is also to them but if I am to them then in that sense of course Kali is also to him that is true castoreum but if you see Kali as the creator of the world as as a deity the absolute appears as Scully in that sense my ultimate reality is none other than Kali Kali and I shared the ultimate reality but in this but his question still stands in this point of view you would not say I am the child of Kali but from a devotees point of view you could easily say I'm a child of Kali yeah it would continue but this is one framework okay that's why I remember when sri ramakrishna i say he embodies the entire spectrum of spiritual realization that's why if you try to put some other part of the spectrum into this you will find a contradiction a clash this is one way of looking at it I appreciate it for its own sake in its own merits and then they can match you know suppose you take someone like Ramana Maharshi really easily fit in this paradigm because he embodies a particular kind of realization totapuri don't ever you see how he resisted there the whole Karli paradigm but Sri Ramakrishna you see how smoothly he moves between all paradigms that's the sign of the avatar because he sees it the the whole thing he told the story of a person people who passed by a tree and they saw a wonderful and they came back to the village and said oh there's a tree and this a fantastic creature which leaves lives on the tree and it's green and his friend said I saw it but you're wrong it's not green it's red and the friend said but I saw - but it's not red or green it's yellow then they went to the tree and they found one person living under the tree so they asked him and said yes there is such a creature which lives here it's a chameleon and you are all right it is sometimes green sometimes red sometimes you know sometimes it's colorless beyond all qualities and all of them are true so being there by Sri Ramakrishna is the person who lives under the tree but if you see it in any one of its colors you are free it's done for you this is the colorless we have seen him it all right let's quickly do a little more let's go into the carry cos which follows the upanishadic mantras 9 8 9 10 and 11 so the carry cos carica number 19 remember all of this is reference to the open e shooting mantras we did last time it refers to all meditation which was - Aviva vishwas yeah 12 e Berkshire the samanya mood Cottam the samanya mood kartum Matra some pretty potosi mantra some pretty potosi odd piece ammonia me watcher the samanya me watcher so when the identity of the Vishwa with the letter R is intended when you meditate upon their identity then the similarity of being the first the similarity of all pervasiveness these become clear what is God apart doing in the next few carry cos he will just summarize what we have learnt so I can go through them pretty quickly in this Carrie kabadi said when you meditate upon the identity of Vishwa the Waker with the sound ah which is the constituent of ohm then the similarity of these two what were the similarity of to recall what we learnt the similarity is it is first the the cosmic waker viraat is supposed to be the first of the Gods to emerge brahma mahad a Varnum Proximus samba Hoover ortus Marva Raja is from the Upanishads there and all is the first of the sounds to emerge so in that sense there same another similarity do you remember pervasive Bharat the cosmic waker pervades the entire universe similarly or pervades all sounds so he says here nineteen carica which was she at - aviva Shyam when you say we shouid awake er is aa should be meditated upon as a live-action means when the intention is to say that what it means is some mattress unpretty Pato you meditate on their identification meditate on ah as the entire universe the little sound are you take it as just in your association your mind has the whole waking universe all stars and planets down to quarks and protons and neutrons and whatnot all of it is ah and then you meditate remember just as a note I've told you earlier don't meditate separately as I'm doing our meditation what's wrong with you or is there something hurt no when you meditate it should always be home but when you meditate on the waking world and equivalence with our intention is that then you are doing this our meditation the first when you meditate upon ohm with the emphasis on the ooh that all thoughts or the entire mental universe is ohm then you're doing the meditation then when you meditate upon the mmm that the entire causal universe is mmm then you are doing them that M the meditation but you're all the time actually chanting are thinking of only then the next one number 20 what's going on revision what we have done already Thai justice souter big Johnna Hodges show to a big yawn hood car show Trisha teaspoon curry show Trisha a sportin mattress am pretty potosi odd mattress am pretty but though she odd uber yacht wantit of edom uber yacht wont't of edom similarly when you are comprehending Thai just the dreamer as ooh that is when you meditate on the identity of you with the dreamer and the dream universe then the twosome to similarities what are the similarities would Kasia excellence so who excels ah say how because it is the sound all alone which evolves into the you change the lik formation of your lips or becomes ooh becomes you so it evolves similarly the the subtle universe the dreamer the deep Slayer in dream subtle universe that the the world of thoughts because it's subtler than the physical universe because it is all pervasive it is also its finer subtle that all pervasive more powerful in Sanskrit sukshma thought the uppercut Karan a it is the cause of this this one also so because of that the world of the basically the world of the mind is superior to the world of matter that's what it says so that's why superior another reason who by optimum it's in the middle literally so between I knew it's in mmm who is in the middle similarly between the gross and the causal gross and causal the dream are the mental subtle is in the middle in that sense Ubah rectum then 21 the third one mmm why all this talking is preparing us for silence which is coming here last makarov of ypres gesture Makaha beep rajesh yeah Manas ammonia mood Cottam Manas ammonia mood cotton mattress some pretty Pato - mantra some pretty but though - lawyer samanya me Virgil lie Assam on yummy butter when you're speaking about the deep sleeper and its identity with mmm that means when you are meditating some protein vitamins meditation meditating on the identity of deep sleeper and mmm two things become clear - similarities do you remember what was the two similarities one is meaty and one is a PT you remember from the 9th 8th 9th 10th 11th mantra do you remember the measuring cup unforgettable example where we all the measures of rice being poured out it disappears into the cup and then comes out of the cup similarly consider the deep sleep as a cup into which waking and dreaming disappear and when you wake up they again image making and dreaming emerge so deep sleep is like a measuring cup in that sense and is also like that because if you look at it that way oh and who they disappear into mmm because you close your mouth and we open your mouth again our and you come out so like a measuring cup methi means measure mana here means material measure and then on the other similarity is Leia it's the point of dissolution it merges back into deep sleep waking and dreaming if you look at deep sleep as cause it all merges back into deep sleep here and then again it emerges when you wake up similarly all sounds they merge back into hmm and then when you start speaking they all seem to come out of so M is the point of dissolution of all sounds here is a slight technical point I'll point out it's it's not important if the question doesn't arise to you then the answer is not important but they thought of many things see the question of dissolution or merging back or whatever you call it the understanding in philosophy in in Indian philosophy was the cause is always the source of origin and also the place of dissolution what does it mean from clay it comes the pot into clay it goes from gold it comes the ornament into gold it goes from water it comes the wave into back into its water nature it goes so things come out from their cause and go back to their cause coming out of cause is called creation going back into the cause is called dissolution this is a very profound thing this is why the Hindus always believed in they not the creation and destruction of the universe but the projection and resolution of the universe right manifestation of the universe think about it when I said that the part is a not a new thing the part is a name and a formally used given to an existing clay so is it better to use the language of manifestation manifest and unmanifest rather than creating a thing when you say creating it means something new is being produced so soon saying a part has been produced a thing has been produced the clay now manifests itself as pot same thing now manifests itself as a lump of clay when it the lump of clay manifests itself as a pot you say a pot has been made when it becomes a lump of clay again and you say it has gone back to its cause similarly in Hinduism in all the Indian philosophies the cyclical idea of the universe Ishwara exists with maya again you're not talking about Torian we are only limited here so Ishwara exists with Maya that is the unmanifest state of the universe then from that emerges the subtle and gross universes it exists and back into my eye Dean just like you in deep sleep you remain as consciousness with organa ignorance and then again from that emerges the waking you and the dream you and again merges back there so everything emerges from its cause emerges means appears from its cause and then manifest and merges back again that's where the Gita says what is projection all things come from the unmanifest to the manifest and they go from the manifest back to the unmanifest it's not that something new is created a potentiality is expressed and then again reabsorbed back again we have a question about this yes three different aspects yes yes form means the form word is not used our stuff state what state because this is this is the causal state and these are the effects that means the the subtle state and the gross state and back again to the console state but in what kind of cause and effect it is not something being produced and destroyed rather it is something manifested and unmanifested from a vector to vector from vector to object objector means expressed objective means not expressed but it's still there not expressed but still there yes yes yes true ultimately would it be the same kind of expression in the long run yes there are only so many combinations that might come out so the cycle each cycle need not be similar but many things would be repeated and ultimately the same combination would come back again so we're kinda says rather in a strange way we had been here in in this very vey dontoh class in this very farm with these bodies and names and learning Vedanta so many times earlier but not the same same being so different forms would come but it's repeated again and again and again it's another example is like a ferris wheel it has gone through those the same cars come and go in the in those forms but the riders and the cars are different so the same individuality attains to enlightenment and you're free but it does not mean that there won't be other manifestations other universes with other manhattan's and other weight onto societies and other people coming it will keep on happening that's Maya is this what you wanted to ask yeah there's a book yes there's an infinite cyclical aspect to that it rotates in a loop but again Manduca we will say not interested what Manduca says what is the reality behind this is that the reality Manduca says no that's not the reality then what's the reality this is a tremendous idea a really grand idea but it's also not the ultimate reality the ultimate reality is thorium which is you it's in you all this cycling is going on and the cycling is not real in itself it's not a real substance the substance is you that has to be realized there's a book I read The Unbearable Lightness of being does he talk about Milan Kundera does he talk about the continuous yes Unbearable Lightness of being I think need she's picked up on this idea yeah that this continuous cycle is possible but if it's real then it's horrifying no exit then you are trapped in this you're bound to repeat it again and again and again forever the good news from Advaita Vedanta is it's not real it's entertainment its endless repetitions of the same sitcom TV serial you want to repeat it again reruns reruns again and again yeah but but it's you also it's it's your own own reality it's a very grand vision of the universe its ultimate in recycling everything nothing is wasted it's all taken back and then put forth into new in universes again so that's one similarity everything a two similarities one is deep sleep or mmm similarity is that their function like measures into which waking and dreaming are poured and they come out again into which are and overpoured and they come out again or the function is the point of dissolution but no the reason I bought up all this theory at the point I was making a technical point what was the point that got lost the technical point was remember I mentioned that cause is the place where effects are dissolved and it's the place where effexor create created means projected again not really created so clay is the point so what would be the example clay is the place of dissolution of all clay pots water is the place of dissolution of all waves and the point of birth of all waves water it was born of water goes back to water in the Bible you find ashes to ashes to ashes dust to dust we've actually come from dust Li means the body the body will go back to dust in in Vedanta cosmology the five elements puncher enter not only this body the entire universe physical universe is made of five elements that's why it's called proppant cha preppin cha means pre-christian a puncher which means the five in detail five in various combinations the five elements in various combinations are everything in this physical universe and where will it go then is destroyed back to the fight one of the ways in sanskrit which speaks about death one way of expressing death in sanskrit is puncher tom gotta gone back to the five gone when you want to be classical about it you say instead of saying the guy is dead he's gone back to the five gone back to the five means the body has gone back to the five elements instead of saying dust to dust he will say earth to earth water to water fire to fire air to air and sky - sky so that's the expression of going back to any but the principle here is from cause comes effect and into cause goes back effect and so where is this leading it's leading to a slight problem here we said all is the cause of everything you say you see oh itself is modified into oh and a and E C I'll make the sound oh and then you transform it into you may change the position of your lips all other sounds emerge all of that so that way our should be the cause of everything of all the letters right and so all sounds should merge back into a not into M not making the problem it's a hitch a bug in the whole system it's a nice-nice system but it's a small bug because somebody might ask didn't you say one of your grand principles is everything emerges from cars and merges back into cars so if I understand everything emerges from Ishwara and merges back into Ishwara but what about the letters themselves there is a linguistic problem ah so does it that is the answer the answer is that it is true technically all sounds are born of AA but practically speaking the sound comes to an end when you close your lips so mmm so this is from a practical point of view a spoken point of view in that sense that's the answer given ah wait wait that's what's going to come next that's what's going to come like that's next time we have run out of time so today we'd spent in talking next time we will be all silent the answer is No out of silence nothing comes all of these appear in silence and disappear into silence if you say if it comes out of silence in silence becomes the cause of all of them silence is not the cause the kind of silence which this is two kinds of signs are there so how can there be two kinds of silence silence silence don't you agree if we have got so many people speaking so many languages in New York person speaks Chinese that person speaks French or Spanish or Hindi but when they all sit in silence is there a Chinese silence and a Hindi silence and and a French silence no the silence is exactly the same but what I mean here is there is a silence which is opposed to noise and there is the silence which underlies both noise and absence of noise this silence by that it does not mean absence of noise this silence actually means the pure consciousness in which all noise arises and subsides that pure consciousness in which all noise arises and subsides so this is the meaning of the silence not the absence of noise I'll come to you because you see when we are saying - Liam - liam is not only apart from all of this but doesn't - Liam underlie all of this when you are in the waking you are actually - Liam when you are dreaming you are actually - Liam when you are in deep sleep you are actually - Liam it is the ah-1 consciousness underlying all of them to diem is available right now and all the time now if silence where the absence of noise then silence would not be available when you're chanting ohm silence would be available only then or no silence now silence but what they're trying to say is this silence is something that underlies this chanting of ohm and even when home is not chanted it's still there yes yeah that is the silence yes yeah yes yes no soon iam is the void all right now true true true silence is a basis for all sound and the absence of sound both the absence of sound and the absence presence of sound the source is silence source is not at the source of production but that's the reality behind everything the source of production would be or depending on your perspective okay now we are at a very dangerous point were you asking whether shun diem is the source of everything the void if you name is the source of everything and to diem is also showing him wait wait it's in I agree with you it seems absolutely logical Suniya means the void is to diem the shoe Neum whether the way we Hindus have seen 3m the ultimate reality as poornam as the infinitude but think about it this way there are again two ways of understanding shown iam one way is you see absence of noises silence absence of things is shown iam if you say that way the enter iam is not shown iam but the presence and absence of things beyond all of that is the real void that if you say that studium perfectly alright in fact this very thing which you are saying this question is raised in punch avishay there is a debate going on between the non dwellest between Vedanta and the Buddhists should Nevada madhyamaka the debate is going on I'll tell you it's I think in the second chapter itself I just tell you at that point the debate comes to a point where the non-dual is says to the Buddhists if you say that your shoe neom is beyond the manifestation and the unmanifest ation of the things of the universe is something beyond that then we will say it's just another name for poornam for thorium our difference is only in name what we call the full you are calling the empty how is it possible logical is perfectly possible see the two reom in itself it's like saying the gold for example is the gold and ornament no gold in itself is not an ornament if you say gold is an ornament use it could be if it's an ornament then all the time gold should be an ornament you say is gold a necklace if I say so yeah it could be a necklace could be means if gold and necklace are the same thing then the gold always has to be a necklace but that's not true gold can be a ring it can be a break-up gold it can be a lump of gold so in the same way what was I saying yep ornaments Union so the poornam appears in all of these forms but it's not a particular form in itself just as gold can appear as so many ornaments but it's not an ornament can I say gold nature is empty of ornaments it's not an no but King yeah either way so can I say that nope you can say it if you say gold nature is not empty of ornaments the gold nature includes a necklace then it always has to be a necklace not necessary the gold nature is independent of being an ornament the gold nature contains like saying does the rope nature include necessarily being a snake not at all in fact never which can be mistaken for a snake there's no real snake in a rope similarly there is no real universe in interim so is to liam empty of the universe history of empty of the universe in a very Renato knee can in a very real sense even when the universe is fully appearing fully manifested as it is now you can say tore iam is empty Unum of the universe because there is no universal Toria there is no thing called a universe in thorium can I say that it's like saying holding a pot and saying the clay is empty of the pot there is no pot in a particular sense there is no no part because as far as you take the substance you're holding clay in that sense clay is empty of the Pardo it appears as the pot and you can use it as a pot and you can call it apart nama Rupa Viva Hara use name and form all are going on and yet really speaking yes but it is potential but that potential itself is it a reality or the reality is the clay there is the clay yeah so you can go on potential is all in in Maya in the use in the game right the screen on which you see movies is does the screen really have King Kong and Darth Vader and and and you know all the the biblical characters which you saw in Ten Commandments all of that all of that are they really part of the screen or is the screen empty of all characters the screen is empty of all characters but isn't the screen the potential for seeing and enjoying all sorts of films not only that because it is empty you can see any film in it whatsoever or you can see no film in it if it really was Harry Potter came and took up the space in the in that there would be no space left over for King Kong or somebody else King Kong takes a lot of space but because they really do not take up any space on the screen they don't exist there are projections on the screen the screen is the only reality the screen becomes the source of infinite projections of many many games you can play on it many many movies you can watch on it yet being empty of all movies and all characters and all stories it's is very empty nature which allows it to be a full nature there infinity and emptiness meet Shunyata and porn at a meet swami solid ananda island with this swami solid ananda who wrote the authoritative biography of sri ramakrishna in that biography the great master sri ramakrishna great master he considers this and he resolves it in one line he says what they the Buddhists call shunya we the Hindus call porno what they call emptiness we call infinity it's exactly the same thing and exactly the same definition is given we will see goda pada will give the definition what is to him he will say is it something that exists think of it as as golden ornaments so is gold what is gold is it an is it a necklace no so is it something is it something something is toriyama thing thing is like an like an ornament no so is it nothing no when you say that the reality is not or not the necklace the gold is the gold is the reality and gold is not a necklace then will you say that gold is nothing how ridiculous gold is everything the in that compared to gold necklace is nothing so will you say that the tour iam is nothing no look what you said is the turian something no is it nothing no and then is it a combination of something and nothing no is it neither something neither or not nothing no these are the four alternatives God our Father will bring up we will see later on and he will deny all of them in Sanskrit Asti No is it the is it is something no it is not no it both is and is not know it neither is not is not know these are four alternatives in sanskrit called koti shahtoosh koti venir mucked at autumn the reality lies beyond the for logical alternatives this is golda pada go back seven hundred years before go to father to Nagarjuna who wrote the foundational texts of Buddhist emptiness moola madam okok Arica there he uses the word he does not use thorium or anything like that he uses the word soon iam soon diem and then he's asked what has shown you have defined it what do you mean by show Neum is it something he says no is it nothing no true name is mistaken off and has nothing is it nothing then no is it both something and nothing no isn't is it neither something not nothing no then what is it Josh koti veneer Mook thumb talk to him the principle which lies beyond the for logical alternatives exactly same definition given or same pointer given for emptiness and fullness one the peak of Buddhist philosophy Nagarjuna and you might say the peak of Hindu philosophy not the waiter in Shankara chair is gurus guru both are defining their final conclusion in literally the same words and you know the soon iam Nagarjuna starts it's a Sanskrit text mula mat democrática he starts with an invocation that was a style of writing usually they would bow down to the Buddha he talks about the shoe neum the ultimate reality ultimate devoid and you know what he calls it Shanta meeee Shivam hardway them instead of saying ad vitam he says ad Wham it is peaceful prop on choppa Sherman the Silence of the universe peace itself Shivam uses the word auspiciousness itself non-dual exactly the same terms used not by now but not by gora pada hundreds of years before Nagarjuna by demand opieop initial seventh mantra shantung Shivam chat utam achieve Amadou item same words yes yes yes as I said is she's asking how do we know that infinitude is in it inherent if you use the screen example is in the screen the basis of all movies infinite movies all the things that you see in the movies all the characters and events what is the reality of them the screen it is the potential of seeing everything in the universe because of its empty nature empty canvas that allows you to paint and not allows you to paint maybe Maya can play everything on that because that's the empty reality it gives reality to everything so the what is the screen here sucked pure being chit pure consciousness it has to be not any particular thing for it to be the basis of all particular things empty means what empty of particularity no infinitude emptiness are the same thing that's why this approach is more fundamental logically if you say which comes first existence or emptiness existence has to precede everything if it is empty preceding existence will be a non non-existent emptiness logically speaking being comes before everything then only you can characterize it as nonspecific being or specific being non specificity is emptiness otherwise if it's not empty if you say no it has to be the ultimate reality it has to be Vishnu and then a particular name particular form particular mythology then it excludes every other name form and mythology but if it is beyond any particular it is beyond any kind of specificity then all specific specificities and particularly is can be predicated of it you can write and like this board again I can wipe it out and write something else but all of it ultimately the reality is the board itself behind it and the understanding of Y and the understanding of Vedanta the crucial message of Vedanta is this nonspecific fullness which is existence which is consciousness which is the locus of all value it's you it's your real nature that's what you are this is the grand view of human nature that Manduca has okay we'll end with that question it is potential it's a good question the way Advaita would say it both potential and actuality potential this is potential and I want sexuality a potential and manifestation both of them are illusions in comparison with the thorium yes illusions means be careful about illusions they are illusions like movies or illusions in comparison with the with the screen in comparison Victorian they are illusions but when you are in the illusion itself it does not seem very illusionary at all if you're playing a part in the movie and so then you have to follow the plot yeah all right let's end we won't do the meditation today they run out of time we had a full class today tomorrow not tomorrow next class yeah just wait for a minute in the next class we will go to the 12th mantra where it talks about the silence aspect and that's the end of the open Isham chanté chanté chanté hey hurry he own tatsat sri ramakrishna Aparna must [Music] remember one thing this side of the board and that side of the board this side is secondary it's a support it's a help helpful device this is what the open e should really wants to say